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Post which rookies are tearing it up

[Pop Zeus]

Raymond 6-9-15
Seider 2-10-12
Mercer 5-5-10
Dahlen 6-2-8
Jeannot 5-3-8
Byram 3-5-8
Bunting 4-3-7
Sillinger 4-3-7
Lundell 3-4-7
Drysdale 1-6-7
Pitlick 3-2-5 (5 games)
Kalyev 3-2-5
Clague 0-5-5 (8 games
Kupari 2-2-4

[Pop Zeus]

Hockey stats are about opportunity.
Put Raymond/Seider on the first unit PP, and they're bound to produce.
Both have been good. But are they anywhere near as impactful as their stats suggest? I don't think they're anywhere near that.

Raymond's 5 on 5 p/60 is near the top among rookies. But he's behind Mercer, Leason, Rondbjrg, OConnor, Dahlen.
2.37 is a very good p/60.
And he's contributing to it. But I don't think he's the driver.
Veleno's, by the way, is 2.23.

Seider's p/60 is .68.
That's ninth among rookie D with 340 minutes or more playing time.

Seider has 48 minutes of PP time. Only Jamie Drysdale (41 minutes) is close.
Kyle Clauge (3 assists in 30 minute) is the only defenseman matching Seider's scoring rates on the PP.

In terms of forwards, it's even more stark.
Raymond has 48 1/2 minutes of PP time. Nobody else has more than 34.
Raymond ranks 7th in PP scoring/60 915 minutes or more.)


In terms of Detroit defensemen, here are our 5 on 5 point/60s

Hronek .98
Lindstrom .9
Stecher ,78
Seider .68
Leddy .62
Dekeyser .52
Staal .29

In terms of Detroit forwards:
Bertuzzi 3.36
Larkin 2.55
Raymond 2.37 - Great number - but lowest on his line.
Veleno 2.23
Namestnikov 2.21 - stunning.
Suter 1.77
Stephens 1.61
Fabbri 1.48
Rasmussen 1.28 - Decent for Moose.
Gagner 1.18
Rowney 0.77
Zadina 0.61 - WTF?
Smith 0


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[Barbrady]

Alex Nedeljkovic
.918 2.78 4-2-2

Filip Gustavsson
.915 3.01 3-3-1

Jeremy Swayman
.911 2.18 4-2-0

Spencer Knight
.887 3.27 4-2-1

Karel Vejmelka
.897 3.29 0-9-1

[Wizard of Corsica]

Hockey stats are about opportunity.
Put Raymond/Seider on the first unit PP, and they're bound to produce.
Both have been good. But are they anywhere near as impactful as their stats suggest? I don't think they're anywhere near that.

Raymond's 5 on 5 p/60 is near the top among rookies. But he's behind Mercer, Leason, Rondbjrg, OConnor, Dahlen.
2.37 is a very good p/60.
And he's contributing to it. But I don't think he's the driver.
Veleno's, by the way, is 2.23.

Seider's p/60 is .68.
That's ninth among rookie D with 340 minutes or more playing time.

Seider has 48 minutes of PP time. Only Jamie Drysdale (41 minutes) is close.
Kyle Clauge (3 assists in 30 minute) is the only defenseman matching Seider's scoring rates on the PP.

In terms of forwards, it's even more stark.
Raymond has 48 1/2 minutes of PP time. Nobody else has more than 34.
Raymond ranks 7th in PP scoring/60 915 minutes or more.)


In terms of Detroit defensemen, here are our 5 on 5 point/60s

Hronek .98
Lindstrom .9
Stecher ,78
Seider .68
Leddy .62
Dekeyser .52
Staal .29

In terms of Detroit forwards:
Bertuzzi 3.36
Larkin 2.55
Raymond 2.37 - Great number - but lowest on his line.
Veleno 2.23
Namestnikov 2.21 - stunning.
Suter 1.77
Stephens 1.61
Fabbri 1.48
Rasmussen 1.28 - Decent for Moose.
Gagner 1.18
Rowney 0.77
Zadina 0.61 - WTF?
Smith 0


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Why would you put up a bunch of stats in 1 post, then write a second post saying stats are bullshit? Your guy Zegras, and lots of other guys have gotten first rate opportunites, what have they done with them?

Seider and Raymond are the best rookies in the league, I'd bet on that without having seen them all. If there's clearly better rookies out there, I'd have to think they're all stars.

[Wizard of Corsica]

Having said that, this is a pretty amazing rookie class. Good job to this Dawson Mercer character, I wonder if maybe we should have looked at him with the Cossa pick.

2020 draft pick, it's him vs. Raymond.

[Barbrady]

Hockey stats are about opportunity.
Put Raymond/Seider on the first unit PP, and they're bound to produce.
Both have been good. But are they anywhere near as impactful as their stats suggest? I don't think they're anywhere near that.

Raymond's 5 on 5 p/60 is near the top among rookies. But he's behind Mercer, Leason, Rondbjrg, OConnor, Dahlen.
2.37 is a very good p/60.
And he's contributing to it. But I don't think he's the driver.
Veleno's, by the way, is 2.23.

Seider's p/60 is .68.
That's ninth among rookie D with 340 minutes or more playing time.

Seider has 48 minutes of PP time. Only Jamie Drysdale (41 minutes) is close.
Kyle Clauge (3 assists in 30 minute) is the only defenseman matching Seider's scoring rates on the PP.

In terms of forwards, it's even more stark.
Raymond has 48 1/2 minutes of PP time. Nobody else has more than 34.
Raymond ranks 7th in PP scoring/60 915 minutes or more.)


In terms of Detroit defensemen, here are our 5 on 5 point/60s

Hronek .98
Lindstrom .9
Stecher ,78
Seider .68
Leddy .62
Dekeyser .52
Staal .29

n terms of Detroit forwards:
Bertuzzi 3.36
Larkin 2.55
Raymond 2.37 - Great number - but lowest on his line.
Veleno 2.23
Namestnikov 2.21 - stunning.
Suter 1.77
Stephens 1.61
Fabbri 1.48
Rasmussen 1.28 - Decent for Moose.
Gagner 1.18
Rowney 0.77
Zadina 0.61 - WTF?
Smith 0

This is where stats like this, less than a quarter into a year can be deceiving and are ultimately pretty useless.
Stecher, Lindstrom would not be producing on the PP like Seider has been. Seider has shown this early that is superb at both gaining entry into the zone and holding the line on the PP and is already looks like he may be the best on the team at it among the D.

Raymond has played in every game. Bert has missed three and Larkin 4.
So of course he's going to have more minutes at even strength and the most on the PP.
And of course his averages per 60 is going to drop significantly when he's in every game and playing while his usual linemates, the 2 best offensive players on the team, each miss roughly a quarter of this young season, relative to the 2 best offensive players on the team.
You weren't seeing Zadina and company producing like this on the PP the last 2 seasons.

It's a testament to how well they're playing that they're getting these opportunities on the PP... and making the most of it to boot.
And points on the PP don't count any less than ES points, so who cares?

[Fil Zaronek]

Alex Nedeljkovic
.918 2.78 4-2-2

Filip Gustavsson
.915 3.01 3-3-1

Jeremy Swayman
.911 2.18 4-2-0

Spencer Knight
.887 3.27 4-2-1

Karel Vejmelka
.897 3.29 0-9-1

He allowed 7 in the first game against Tampa (41 saves though faced 7 TB pps). Really like the way Ned plays. Fun goalie to watch.

[Pop Zeus]

Hockey stats are about opportunity.
Put Raymond/Seider on the first unit PP, and they're bound to produce.
Both have been good. But are they anywhere near as impactful as their stats suggest? I don't think they're anywhere near that.

Raymond's 5 on 5 p/60 is near the top among rookies. But he's behind Mercer, Leason, Rondbjrg, OConnor, Dahlen.
2.37 is a very good p/60.
And he's contributing to it. But I don't think he's the driver.
Veleno's, by the way, is 2.23.

Seider's p/60 is .68.
That's ninth among rookie D with 340 minutes or more playing time.

Seider has 48 minutes of PP time. Only Jamie Drysdale (41 minutes) is close.
Kyle Clauge (3 assists in 30 minute) is the only defenseman matching Seider's scoring rates on the PP.

In terms of forwards, it's even more stark.
Raymond has 48 1/2 minutes of PP time. Nobody else has more than 34.
Raymond ranks 7th in PP scoring/60 915 minutes or more.)


In terms of Detroit defensemen, here are our 5 on 5 point/60s

Hronek .98
Lindstrom .9
Stecher ,78
Seider .68
Leddy .62
Dekeyser .52
Staal .29

n terms of Detroit forwards:
Bertuzzi 3.36
Larkin 2.55
Raymond 2.37 - Great number - but lowest on his line.
Veleno 2.23
Namestnikov 2.21 - stunning.
Suter 1.77
Stephens 1.61
Fabbri 1.48
Rasmussen 1.28 - Decent for Moose.
Gagner 1.18
Rowney 0.77
Zadina 0.61 - WTF?
Smith 0

This is where stats like this, less than a quarter into a year can be deceiving and are ultimately pretty useless.
Stecher, Lindstrom would not be producing on the PP like Seider has been. Seider has shown this early that is superb at both gaining entry into the zone and holding the line on the PP and is already looks like he may be the best on the team at it among the D.

Raymond has played in every game. Bert has missed three and Larkin 4.
So of course he's going to have more minutes at even strength and the most on the PP.
And of course his averages per 60 is going to drop significantly when he's in every game and playing while his usual linemates, the 2 best offensive players on the team, each miss roughly a quarter of this young season, relative to the 2 best offensive players on the team.
You weren't seeing Zadina and company producing like this on the PP the last 2 seasons.

It's a testament to how well they're playing that they're getting these opportunities on the PP... and making the most of it to boot.
And points on the PP don't count any less than ES points, so who cares?

In other words - stats don't work for my narrative - so I reject them.

[Pop Zeus]

Hockey stats are about opportunity.
Put Raymond/Seider on the first unit PP, and they're bound to produce.
Both have been good. But are they anywhere near as impactful as their stats suggest? I don't think they're anywhere near that.

Raymond's 5 on 5 p/60 is near the top among rookies. But he's behind Mercer, Leason, Rondbjrg, OConnor, Dahlen.
2.37 is a very good p/60.
And he's contributing to it. But I don't think he's the driver.
Veleno's, by the way, is 2.23.

Seider's p/60 is .68.
That's ninth among rookie D with 340 minutes or more playing time.

Seider has 48 minutes of PP time. Only Jamie Drysdale (41 minutes) is close.
Kyle Clauge (3 assists in 30 minute) is the only defenseman matching Seider's scoring rates on the PP.

In terms of forwards, it's even more stark.
Raymond has 48 1/2 minutes of PP time. Nobody else has more than 34.
Raymond ranks 7th in PP scoring/60 915 minutes or more.)


In terms of Detroit defensemen, here are our 5 on 5 point/60s

Hronek .98
Lindstrom .9
Stecher ,78
Seider .68
Leddy .62
Dekeyser .52
Staal .29

In terms of Detroit forwards:
Bertuzzi 3.36
Larkin 2.55
Raymond 2.37 - Great number - but lowest on his line.
Veleno 2.23
Namestnikov 2.21 - stunning.
Suter 1.77
Stephens 1.61
Fabbri 1.48
Rasmussen 1.28 - Decent for Moose.
Gagner 1.18
Rowney 0.77
Zadina 0.61 - WTF?
Smith 0


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Why would you put up a bunch of stats in 1 post, then write a second post saying stats are bullshit? Your guy Zegras, and lots of other guys have gotten first rate opportunites, what have they done with them?

Seider and Raymond are the best rookies in the league, I'd bet on that without having seen them all. If there's clearly better rookies out there, I'd have to think they're all stars.

Kaliyev would be lighting things up in LA if he had Raymond's deployment.
That's why I talk about TOI and opportunity.