Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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Re: Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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holytoledo wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:08 am
DocBrown wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:54 pm Motte, Kane are the best possibilities IMO
If we’re calling up kids we can waive whoever we like. If someone claims them, even better. Motte, Fischer & Veleno would be the obvious guys to waive.Gus, Petry and Holl - why not? But really Danielson is about the only healthy forward that’s even worth a thought for a call up - and that’s probably not a good thought at this stage. Cossa could come up, but to play behind this team?

For al the hype about our prospect pool the cupboard is pretty bare in GR.
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Re: Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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holytoledo wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:08 am
DocBrown wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:54 pm Motte, Kane are the best possibilities IMO
If we’re calling up kids we can waive whoever we like. If someone claims them, even better. Motte, Fischer & Veleno would be the obvious guys to waive.Gus, Petry and Holl - why not? But really Danielson is about the only healthy forward that’s even worth a thought for a call up - and that’s probably not a good thought at this stage. Cossa could come up, but to play behind this team?

For al the hype about our prospect pool the cupboard is pretty bare in GR.
keep in mind that at this time last year, the griffins had edvinsson, johansson, kasper, and soderblom. right now, i'm happy with four graduates if soderblom can stick. if he gets sent back down, i'd wager mazur gets a call-up before danielson. once he's all up to speed, that is.
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Re: Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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Great points here. Couldn't agree more. The hype of the prospect pool is not justified and I have embraced this reality. Danielson is the only truly intriguing prospect that I could see being called up. But, as others mentioned, he hasn't exactly blown any doors off the AHL this season. I really thought the kid had a good chance to make the club out of camp his rookie year. Now he seems to have regressed. Are we holding these kids back too long? Is the AHL good or bad for player development? Does our organization player development program suck? Or, are these still just kids developing at different paces and stages? There are plenty of examples of hyped players being thrown straight into the fire of the NHL and underperforming also. Not sure what the answers truly are. However, we need to look at some organizations like Washington and Carolina that are drafting and developing young players consistently and try and emulate.
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WingZ wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:33 am Great points here. Couldn't agree more. The hype of the prospect pool is not justified and I have embraced this reality. Danielson is the only truly intriguing prospect that I could see being called up. But, as others mentioned, he hasn't exactly blown any doors off the AHL this season. I really thought the kid had a good chance to make the club out of camp his rookie year. Now he seems to have regressed. Are we holding these kids back too long? Is the AHL good or bad for player development? Does our organization player development program suck? Or, are these still just kids developing at different paces and stages? There are plenty of examples of hyped players being thrown straight into the fire of the NHL and underperforming also. Not sure what the answers truly are. However, we need to look at some organizations like Washington and Carolina that are drafting and developing young players consistently and try and emulate.
Before saying Danielson has regressed, he is the #1 C for GR. Danielson’s big adjustment is going from playing against Jr age to playing against grown men, and he’s made himself the #1 c. That’s not bad. Where was Kasper exactly one year ago? Sure Kasper was playing vs adults over seas but last year was his first year on an American sheet vs Olympic, and that was a big adjustment. Lombardi and Mazur hurt make it look like the cupboard is more bare than it is. But at the same time GR isn’t overflowing with prospects. I keep saying, Draper needs to be removed from drafting round two and beyond. Still to this day Soderbloom and Johansson are the only non first round picks to play for the wings since Yzerman too over.
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Patrick Kane listed as day to day and ruled out for tonight.
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Slapper wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:46 am
WingZ wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:33 am Great points here. Couldn't agree more. The hype of the prospect pool is not justified and I have embraced this reality. Danielson is the only truly intriguing prospect that I could see being called up. But, as others mentioned, he hasn't exactly blown any doors off the AHL this season. I really thought the kid had a good chance to make the club out of camp his rookie year. Now he seems to have regressed. Are we holding these kids back too long? Is the AHL good or bad for player development? Does our organization player development program suck? Or, are these still just kids developing at different paces and stages? There are plenty of examples of hyped players being thrown straight into the fire of the NHL and underperforming also. Not sure what the answers truly are. However, we need to look at some organizations like Washington and Carolina that are drafting and developing young players consistently and try and emulate.
Before saying Danielson has regressed, he is the #1 C for GR. Danielson’s big adjustment is going from playing against Jr age to playing against grown men, and he’s made himself the #1 c. That’s not bad. Where was Kasper exactly one year ago? Sure Kasper was playing vs adults over seas but last year was his first year on an American sheet vs Olympic, and that was a big adjustment. Lombardi and Mazur hurt make it look like the cupboard is more bare than it is. But at the same time GR isn’t overflowing with prospects. I keep saying, Draper needs to be removed from drafting round two and beyond. Still to this day Soderbloom and Johansson are the only non first round picks to play for the wings since Yzerman too over.

Danielson was actually doing well in the role for awhile.
A lot of players saw their stats drop, including the goalies, when Lombardi went down. Just an easier team to defend.
I'd love to see Lombardi's possession numbers.

Soderblom and Johansson were Wright picks.
Draper has taken a turn away from Europe.

Europeans - Rounds 3-7
24 - 1/6
23 - 2/6
22 - 2/6
21 - 1/5
20 - 2/7
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19 - 4/7
18 - 3/6
17 - 2/9
16 - 3/4
15 -2/5
14 - 4/5
13 - 2/5

I'd give Hakan more picks, even if we've been dry for quite awhile.

Yzerman and Draper go hard to USHL/College players.
More time to decide.

But why not draft Russians, let them play over there.
You still have their rights at 25.
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Re: Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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Canadiens projected lineup

Cole Caufield -- Nick Suzuki -- Juraj Slafkovsky

Alex Newhook -- Kirby Dach -- Patrik Laine

Josh Anderson -- Christian Dvorak -- Brendan Gallagher

Joel Armia -- Jake Evans -- Michael Pezzetta

Lane Hutson -- Mike Matheson

Kaiden Guhle -- Alexandre Carrier

Arber Xhekaj -- David Savard

Sam Montembeault

Jakub Dobes

Scratched: Jayden Struble

Injured: Emil Heineman (upper body)

Red Wings projected lineup

Marco Kasper -- Dylan Larkin -- Lucas Raymond

Vladimir Tarasenko -- Andrew Copp -- Alex DeBrincat

Joe Veleno -- J.T. Compher -- Jonatan Berggren

Michael Rasmussen -- Christian Fischer -- Elmer Soderblom

Ben Chiarot -- Moritz Seider

Simon Edvinsson -- Albert Johansson

Erik Gustafsson -- Justin Holl

Cam Talbot

Alex Lyon

Scratched: Tyler Motte

Injured: Jeff Petry (undisclosed), Patrick Kane (upper body)

Status report
Red Wings coach Todd McLellan said Kane is "day to day" because of an injury he has dealt with the past two games. Tarasenko will replace him on the second line, with Veleno playing on the third line after being scratched for a 2-1 overtime loss to the Philadelphia Flyers on Tuesday. … The Canadiens did not hold a morning skate.
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Re: Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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hiramnicak wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:04 am
holytoledo wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:08 am
DocBrown wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:54 pm Motte, Kane are the best possibilities IMO
If we’re calling up kids we can waive whoever we like. If someone claims them, even better. Motte, Fischer & Veleno would be the obvious guys to waive.Gus, Petry and Holl - why not? But really Danielson is about the only healthy forward that’s even worth a thought for a call up - and that’s probably not a good thought at this stage. Cossa could come up, but to play behind this team?

For al the hype about our prospect pool the cupboard is pretty bare in GR.
keep in mind that at this time last year, the griffins had edvinsson, johansson, kasper, and soderblom. right now, i'm happy with four graduates if soderblom can stick. if he gets sent back down, i'd wager mazur gets a call-up before danielson. once he's all up to speed, that is.
For sure. That’s how graduation works. Personally, I’d like to give Tuomisto a few games and see what he does. He’s not necessarily ready, he won’t necessarily ever be ready, but he’s almost 40, we should give him a look.

Danielson has plenty of growth to experience in GR. If it clicks for him maybe he’s ready for a cup of Joe before the end of the year, but right now, no reason to rush him.

Mazur probably needs to show he’s back game ready and prove himself in the A before there’s any thought of a call up for him.
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Re: Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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Slapper wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:45 am Patrick Kane listed as day to day and ruled out for tonight.
Trade coming.
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Re: Game Thread: Montreal @ Detroit, 7 p.m. Thursday

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holytoledo wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:28 pm
Slapper wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:45 am Patrick Kane listed as day to day and ruled out for tonight.
Trade coming.
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