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....cause we've seen what those number ones have done for the Wings. Unless it becomes a Connor Bedard and no, trading Larkin doesn't return Bedard. Bad crack bad for you. It's got to be a high high one and which rebuilding team is going to do that for Larkin. The Wings in this scenario trade a Larkin....for a future Larkin? I think you guys love reshuffling the deck because you get to do more mock drafts.


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DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:28 am ....cause we've seen what those number ones have done for the Wings. Unless it becomes a Connor Bedard and no, trading Larkin doesn't return Bedard. Bad crack bad for you. It's got to be a high high one and which rebuilding team is going to do that for Larkin. The Wings in this scenario trade a Larkin....for a future Larkin? I think you guys love reshuffling the deck because you get to do more mock drafts.
i think some people just want to reshuffle until we get a mcdavid/bedard/stamkos/kane/mackinnon.
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DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:28 am ....cause we've seen what those number ones have done for the Wings. Unless it becomes a Connor Bedard and no, trading Larkin doesn't return Bedard. Bad crack bad for you. It's got to be a high high one and which rebuilding team is going to do that for Larkin. The Wings in this scenario trade a Larkin....for a future Larkin? I think you guys love reshuffling the deck because you get to do more mock drafts.
Already been through this.
1) You move Larkin early enough and you substantially increase your Bedard odds.
2) You basically ensure you get one of the Big 5 - Smith, Fantili, Bedard, Michkov, Carlson
3) You get more draft capital +++ quality young players.
4) You don't tie yourself to a contract that you have a good chance of hating by the time you're any good - and it when the cap hit will matter.
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Canucks gave up Horvat - who is older and not as good as Larkin.
They got
Beauvillier, 1st and Raty.

That's our first now.
So that was a first with some value. Mid-round first.

Raty is a guy who seems to need time to adapt to new levels. His first year in Liiga was not good - and he went from a potential #1 overall pick to a guy drafted 52nd.
Liiga has been tough on several young, draft-year kids in recent years.
In D+1, he was a point/game prospect.
His foot speed isn't great but he's got skill and good NHL size.

And when all was said and done, Beauvillier did well in Vancouver
Bo Horvat in NYI - 30 games 7-9-16 (1-1-2 in six playoff games)
Bo-Villier in Vancouver - 33 games 9-11-20.

Beauvillier won't even be overpaid if he produces like that next year ($4.15M)

Horvat at 28 starts an 8 year deal at $8.5M and he's already flopped to some degree.


So yeah, give me the so-called capdump, the bluechipper and mid-first - and that's just to start, because Larkin is younger and better.

Replace Larkin next year with a UFA like OReilly or whatever. Overpay for 3 years instead of 8.
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Pop Zeus wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:00 pm
DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:28 am ....cause we've seen what those number ones have done for the Wings. Unless it becomes a Connor Bedard and no, trading Larkin doesn't return Bedard. Bad crack bad for you. It's got to be a high high one and which rebuilding team is going to do that for Larkin. The Wings in this scenario trade a Larkin....for a future Larkin? I think you guys love reshuffling the deck because you get to do more mock drafts.
Already been through this.
1) You move Larkin early enough and you substantially increase your Bedard odds.
2) You basically ensure you get one of the Big 5 - Smith, Fantili, Bedard, Michkov, Carlson
3) You get more draft capital +++ quality young players.
4) You don't tie yourself to a contract that you have a good chance of hating by the time you're any good - and it when the cap hit will matter.
Put down the crack pipe. None of the top 5 are going to go for a Larkin deal. Get real. I know the draft simulation wheel to nowhere spins like crazy by dealing Larkin (and don't you love it) but look who the Wings got so far. Generational players are rare. Just because you really really really want the next McDavid doesn't mean there is a realistic path to that hypothetical player.
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DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 2:01 pm
Pop Zeus wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:00 pm
DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:28 am ....cause we've seen what those number ones have done for the Wings. Unless it becomes a Connor Bedard and no, trading Larkin doesn't return Bedard. Bad crack bad for you. It's got to be a high high one and which rebuilding team is going to do that for Larkin. The Wings in this scenario trade a Larkin....for a future Larkin? I think you guys love reshuffling the deck because you get to do more mock drafts.
Already been through this.
1) You move Larkin early enough and you substantially increase your Bedard odds.
2) You basically ensure you get one of the Big 5 - Smith, Fantili, Bedard, Michkov, Carlson
3) You get more draft capital +++ quality young players.
4) You don't tie yourself to a contract that you have a good chance of hating by the time you're any good - and it when the cap hit will matter.
Put down the crack pipe. None of the top 5 are going to go for a Larkin deal. Get real. I know the draft simulation wheel to nowhere spins like crazy by dealing Larkin (and don't you love it) but look who the Wings got so far. Generational players are rare. Just because you really really really want the next McDavid doesn't mean there is a realistic path to that hypothetical player.
It’s not about trading for a top 5 pick, it’s about falling back by moving Larkin and our pick getting into the top 5. Moving Larkin would have landed us 2 firsts, a blue chip prospect and probably at least 2 more chances at our pick landing in the top 5. It’s not that hard to follow and it’s basically what the Hawks did to land Bedard.
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The Wings are not going to fall back. Comeong man you know Y isn't going to go for that. He took his shot when the Wings were really bad, it didn't work optimally for a variety of reasons. Look at the 2020 draft...Stutzle may be the best player and he was picked third. Wasn't Lafrenière suppose to be slam dunk awesomeness? The Wings had a 6, 4, 6 the first three years of the Y regime and he got some good players. That's pretty high level picks.
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DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 2:57 pm The Wings are not going to fall back. Comeong man you know Y isn't going to go for that. He took his shot when the Wings were really bad, it didn't work optimally for a variety of reasons. Look at the 2020 draft...Stutzle may be the best player and he was picked third. Wasn't Lafrenière suppose to be slam dunk awesomeness? The Wings had a 6, 4, 6 the first three years of the Y regime and he got some good players. That's pretty high level picks.
He half-assed the went for it when he moved Bert, Hronek & Vrana.

Obviously the point is moot because Larkin is already signed.

IMO, he should have gone all in. I think he’s got us on a long term plan to be mediocre.

There are teams advancing without home grown stars, most notably Vegas, maybe this model works, but it’s not proven yet.
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holytoledo wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 3:43 pm
DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 2:57 pm The Wings are not going to fall back. Comeong man you know Y isn't going to go for that. He took his shot when the Wings were really bad, it didn't work optimally for a variety of reasons. Look at the 2020 draft...Stutzle may be the best player and he was picked third. Wasn't Lafrenière suppose to be slam dunk awesomeness? The Wings had a 6, 4, 6 the first three years of the Y regime and he got some good players. That's pretty high level picks.
He half-assed the went for it when he moved Bert, Hronek & Vrana.

Obviously the point is moot because Larkin is already signed.

IMO, he should have gone all in. I think he’s got us on a long term plan to be mediocre.

There are teams advancing without home grown stars, most notably Vegas, maybe this model works, but it’s not proven yet.
Well, that is the model, sort of. But Vegas went balls to wall on the cap, which is not feasible for Detroit until they are more competitive.
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DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 2:01 pm
Pop Zeus wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:00 pm
DocBrown wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:28 am ....cause we've seen what those number ones have done for the Wings. Unless it becomes a Connor Bedard and no, trading Larkin doesn't return Bedard. Bad crack bad for you. It's got to be a high high one and which rebuilding team is going to do that for Larkin. The Wings in this scenario trade a Larkin....for a future Larkin? I think you guys love reshuffling the deck because you get to do more mock drafts.
Already been through this.
1) You move Larkin early enough and you substantially increase your Bedard odds.
2) You basically ensure you get one of the Big 5 - Smith, Fantili, Bedard, Michkov, Carlson
3) You get more draft capital +++ quality young players.
4) You don't tie yourself to a contract that you have a good chance of hating by the time you're any good - and it when the cap hit will matter.
Put down the crack pipe. None of the top 5 are going to go for a Larkin deal. Get real. I know the draft simulation wheel to nowhere spins like crazy by dealing Larkin (and don't you love it) but look who the Wings got so far. Generational players are rare. Just because you really really really want the next McDavid doesn't mean there is a realistic path to that hypothetical player.
Dude...
Where did I say Larkin fetches a top 5 pick?
Larkin being traded weakens the roster to get a top 5 pick and increase your lottery odds.
What Larkin could get you is:

Colorado 1st in 2023, 24 and Newhook + something.
Or maybe
Colorado 1st in 2023, Newhook and Byram.
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