Wings not qualifying Svechnikov

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Re: Wings not qualifying Svechnikov

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JimIsJustPlainOld wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:47 pm Well, Svechnikov lasted longer than this guy, who was drafted 4th overall in 1976.
https://detroithockeynow.com/2021/06/23 ... rst-round/
scouting was a different ball-game then than now, and in context (https://eliteprospects.com/draft/nhl-entry-draft/1976), the wings did alright overall. they still picked up reed larson in the second round. too bad they didn't get federko with that first pick though....


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Slapper wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:36 pm So wait, there’s crying over a guy that DIDN’T pan out here and is a 4th liner if he plays for the big club in Winnipeg?

Cholowski got waived too!

Both are guys that didn’t pan out anywhere. It happens. It happens in every sport every year. The wings didn’t fumble these guy’s development. They just didn’t and don’t have it.
If we let him walk because we had no room for him and if there weren’t extenuating circumstances, that’d be fine. We let him walk and then signed a 32 year old and brought a 34 year old into camp on a PTO. That’s my beef. There’s potential upside in Chevy. There’s zero in Bobby Ryan or Carter Rowney. He just made a Stanley Cup contenders roster - one with a much deeper forward group than ours - and we let him walk and decided it was better to give a has been a shot at making our team. And really, I’ll throw Gagner in that mix of has beens too. This is not what a rebuilding team should be doing.

Cholo got claimed in the expansion draft, it’s not really a comparable situation.
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hiramnicak wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:37 pm
JimIsJustPlainOld wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:47 pm Well, Svechnikov lasted longer than this guy, who was drafted 4th overall in 1976.
https://detroithockeynow.com/2021/06/23 ... rst-round/
scouting was a different ball-game then than now, and in context (https://eliteprospects.com/draft/nhl-entry-draft/1976), the wings did alright overall. they still picked up reed larson in the second round. too bad they didn't get federko with that first pick though....
Just think, if they had picked Federko then, they would have had to trade Adam Oates about 13 yrs later to get him when he was at the end of his career. And getting Reed Larson, was one of the best picks by any Wings GM. Larson still holds the team record for most goals by a defenseman in one season with 28.
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Re: Wings not qualifying Svechnikov

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holytoledo wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:29 pm
Slapper wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:36 pm So wait, there’s crying over a guy that DIDN’T pan out here and is a 4th liner if he plays for the big club in Winnipeg?

Cholowski got waived too!

Both are guys that didn’t pan out anywhere. It happens. It happens in every sport every year. The wings didn’t fumble these guy’s development. They just didn’t and don’t have it.
If we let him walk because we had no room for him and if there weren’t extenuating circumstances, that’d be fine. We let him walk and then signed a 32 year old and brought a 34 year old into camp on a PTO. That’s my beef. There’s potential upside in Chevy. There’s zero in Bobby Ryan or Carter Rowney. He just made a Stanley Cup contenders roster - one with a much deeper forward group than ours - and we let him walk and decided it was better to give a has been a shot at making our team. And really, I’ll throw Gagner in that mix of has beens too. This is not what a rebuilding team should be doing.

Cholo got claimed in the expansion draft, it’s not really a comparable situation.
The 32 year old is better, which is why he’s on an nhl roster and svechnikov has a 2 way contract. People in the organization see a lot more than us casuals fans. If he would help the team win he’d still be here, he just doesn’t have it. Neither does cholowski and the wings and now kraken see that, people here don’t. Lots of draft picks don’t like up to expectations these two are just more names to the list.
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I think having some veterans on a rebuilding team makes sense because they can help young prospects acclimate and gain confidence. However, Wings' strategy of signing retreads like Bobby Ryan in hope of trading them for draft picks at the deadline backfired badly in their faces. They mortgaged opportunity for players like Svechnikov in favor of a half-baked plan to amass draft picks.

Another criticism I have is with the coaching staff. On a rebuilding team, there needs to be more tolerance and acceptance of young players making mistakes. These needs to be learning opportunities. Instead, time and time again I saw Blashill discipline the rookies for mistakes, while giving veteran players a pass. The coaching on this team is a big part of the problem when it comes to player development. I hope it doesn't manifest itself with Seider and Raymond.

Finally, Svechnikov was at a disadvantage because he wasn't Stevie's pick. He was a Kenny's pick. And Yzerman clearly prefers his guys (e.g. Erne, Stephens). As such, the front office wasn't too invested in having him succeed.
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Slapper wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:33 am
holytoledo wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:29 pm
Slapper wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:36 pm So wait, there’s crying over a guy that DIDN’T pan out here and is a 4th liner if he plays for the big club in Winnipeg?

Cholowski got waived too!

Both are guys that didn’t pan out anywhere. It happens. It happens in every sport every year. The wings didn’t fumble these guy’s development. They just didn’t and don’t have it.
If we let him walk because we had no room for him and if there weren’t extenuating circumstances, that’d be fine. We let him walk and then signed a 32 year old and brought a 34 year old into camp on a PTO. That’s my beef. There’s potential upside in Chevy. There’s zero in Bobby Ryan or Carter Rowney. He just made a Stanley Cup contenders roster - one with a much deeper forward group than ours - and we let him walk and decided it was better to give a has been a shot at making our team. And really, I’ll throw Gagner in that mix of has beens too. This is not what a rebuilding team should be doing.

Cholo got claimed in the expansion draft, it’s not really a comparable situation.
The 32 year old is better, which is why he’s on an nhl roster and svechnikov has a 2 way contract. People in the organization see a lot more than us casuals fans. If he would help the team win he’d still be here, he just doesn’t have it. Neither does cholowski and the wings and now kraken see that, people here don’t. Lots of draft picks don’t like up to expectations these two are just more names to the list.
Bobby Ryan didn't help Detroit.
Sam Gagner doesn't help Detroit.
Mattias Brome didn't help Detroit.

In a go-nowhere season, with lots of players finishing their time in Detroit, the following useless or no-future players played more minutes than Svech last year.

Glendening 799
Helm 690
Gagner 649
Filppula 593
Ryan 506
Brome 355
Nielsen 352
Svech 248

That's not a great recipe for rebuilding.
Did we get anything for trading ANY of those guys?
NOPE.
They're all gone.
We sucked.

Lose-Lose.
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Cholowski was claimed off waivers by Washington.
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I think Larkin, Leddy, Dekeyser, Fabbri, Bertuzzi, Greiss, Namestnikov & Gagner cover our veteran needs. We could have done without Rowney and obviously don’t need Ryan.
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Svech nets his first
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3 points in 5 games. He'd fit in pretty well on the Wings 3rd or 4th line, particularly over Rowney.
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